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		<title>By: Josh Millard</title>
		<link>http://www.joshmillard.com/2008/05/07/savants-idiot-and-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-32501</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Millard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 17:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Manns?  Did you get lost on the way to the Metafilter contact form?  Have you mistaken freedom of press for freedom speech?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Manns?  Did you get lost on the way to the Metafilter contact form?  Have you mistaken freedom of press for freedom speech?</p>
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		<title>By: Art Esian1</title>
		<link>http://www.joshmillard.com/2008/05/07/savants-idiot-and-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-32479</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Esian1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 12:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your deletion of Freeman Dyson&#039;s post goes against free speech in America.  How much science have YOU published in your storied carreer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your deletion of Freeman Dyson&#8217;s post goes against free speech in America.  How much science have YOU published in your storied carreer?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Millard</title>
		<link>http://www.joshmillard.com/2008/05/07/savants-idiot-and-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-30388</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Millard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, that last cited article, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geniusdenied.com/articles/Record.aspx?NavID=13_13&amp;rid=14177&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Extreme Precocity: Prodigies, Savants, and Children of Extraordinarily High IQ&lt;/a&gt;, appears to be a pretty decent basic writeup on (inter alia) the historical and current take on autistic savantism. 

And as it&#039;s from 2003, uses &quot;savant&quot; as the basic reference term, and deals explicitly with &quot;idiot savant&quot; and more recent explicit terminology choices, it seems like there&#039;s a pretty good argument that the statement about &quot;savant&quot; being insensitive in the Seattle Times aregument may just be flawed, however it got there.

Of course, fashions can change in five years, and there could be a conflict between the dry language of an academic paper and what parents et al favor or dislike in practical usage.  I have a feeling I could short-circuit this search if I could just do a small survey of folks who are parents of or who work with autistic folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, that last cited article, <a href="http://www.geniusdenied.com/articles/Record.aspx?NavID=13_13&#038;rid=14177" rel="nofollow">Extreme Precocity: Prodigies, Savants, and Children of Extraordinarily High IQ</a>, appears to be a pretty decent basic writeup on (inter alia) the historical and current take on autistic savantism. </p>
<p>And as it&#8217;s from 2003, uses &#8220;savant&#8221; as the basic reference term, and deals explicitly with &#8220;idiot savant&#8221; and more recent explicit terminology choices, it seems like there&#8217;s a pretty good argument that the statement about &#8220;savant&#8221; being insensitive in the Seattle Times aregument may just be flawed, however it got there.</p>
<p>Of course, fashions can change in five years, and there could be a conflict between the dry language of an academic paper and what parents et al favor or dislike in practical usage.  I have a feeling I could short-circuit this search if I could just do a small survey of folks who are parents of or who work with autistic folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Millard</title>
		<link>http://www.joshmillard.com/2008/05/07/savants-idiot-and-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-30386</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Millard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Search more simply for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=active&amp;q=savant+insensitive+&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;savant insensitve&lt;/a&gt; turns up more explicit references to austism, in the context of the phrase &quot;idiot savant&quot; specifically:

&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://everything2.com/e2node/savant%2520syndrome&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The savant syndrome&lt;/a&gt; is a condition wherein a person is mentally retarded for most areas of intelligence that are commonly measured, but demonstrates an outstanding ability in a specific topic.&lt;/a&gt;

Of &#039;idiot savant&#039;, also from E2: &quot;Although still in common usage, the term has been replaced amongst psychologists &lt;a href=&quot;http://everything2.com/e2node/idiot%2520savant&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;by autistic savant&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;

This is interesting:

&quot;Given the inappropriateness of the term as a whole and the pejorative connotation of the first part of it, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geniusdenied.com/articles/Record.aspx?NavID=13_13&amp;rid=14177&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Treffert (1989) proposed &quot;savant syndrome&quot;-or just &quot;savant&quot;-as a more desirable name&lt;/a&gt; for the phenomenon.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Search more simply for <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;safe=active&#038;q=savant+insensitive+" rel="nofollow">savant insensitve</a> turns up more explicit references to austism, in the context of the phrase &#8220;idiot savant&#8221; specifically:</p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://everything2.com/e2node/savant%2520syndrome" rel="nofollow">The savant syndrome</a> is a condition wherein a person is mentally retarded for most areas of intelligence that are commonly measured, but demonstrates an outstanding ability in a specific topic.</p>
<p>Of &#8216;idiot savant&#8217;, also from E2: &#8220;Although still in common usage, the term has been replaced amongst psychologists <a href="http://everything2.com/e2node/idiot%2520savant" rel="nofollow">by autistic savant</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is interesting:</p>
<p>&#8220;Given the inappropriateness of the term as a whole and the pejorative connotation of the first part of it, <a href="http://www.geniusdenied.com/articles/Record.aspx?NavID=13_13&#038;rid=14177" rel="nofollow">Treffert (1989) proposed &#8220;savant syndrome&#8221;-or just &#8220;savant&#8221;-as a more desirable name</a> for the phenomenon.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Millard</title>
		<link>http://www.joshmillard.com/2008/05/07/savants-idiot-and-otherwise/comment-page-1/#comment-30381</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Millard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Googling for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=active&amp;q=savant+insensitive+-%22idiot+savant%22&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;savant insensitive -&quot;idiot savant&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, in the theory that if &quot;savant&quot; itself is insensitive there might be folks saying as much using those words independent of an explicit callout to &quot;idiot savant&quot;, I&#039;m found this:

&quot;And he may not be smart at all; not every autistic child &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/250401/insensitive_things_to_say_to_the_parents.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;is a savant&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;

But otherwise a lot of noise (brand names, unrelated topics, a couple of references to savantism collocated with &quot;insensitive&quot; but not in the desire context).

That&#039;s one idea down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Googling for <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;safe=active&#038;q=savant+insensitive+-%22idiot+savant%22" rel="nofollow">savant insensitive -&#8221;idiot savant&#8221;</a>, in the theory that if &#8220;savant&#8221; itself is insensitive there might be folks saying as much using those words independent of an explicit callout to &#8220;idiot savant&#8221;, I&#8217;m found this:</p>
<p>&#8220;And he may not be smart at all; not every autistic child <a href="http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/250401/insensitive_things_to_say_to_the_parents.html" rel="nofollow">is a savant</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>But otherwise a lot of noise (brand names, unrelated topics, a couple of references to savantism collocated with &#8220;insensitive&#8221; but not in the desire context).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s one idea down.</p>
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